Creation

Spot of Borg · Joined: 03 Oct 2005 Posts: 5494 Location: Delta Quadrant

Apparently according to the xtian bible God made 2 ppl and did a bad job and made them flawed and blamed them for it. This is what creationists believe. Not only that but it all happened in 6 days. And the absurdity continues with a god that wasn't created at all - but apparently does the creating. How can anyone be expected to believe this stuff? How can anyone believe it and still consider themselves intelligent? Most religions have thier own "creation" stories and they are all laughed @ by the other religions and rational ppl. This one is no different from the aboriginal dreamtime story or the Japanese fish story. Here is a link to other creation myths. Cosmology can be intersting but no-one in thier right mind would believe these stories! Spot .

. . "Cry MEOW! And eat the fish of war!"

Spot of Borg · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:38 am Post subject:

Bluey I didn't say what you quoted me as saying - it was suesmum.

Meanwhile I don't "believe" in anything. The "big bang" is a theory and may or may not be anything to do with our origins. My personal theory is that we just don't know - humans haven't the capacity @ this point to know.

Spot

Whispy-of-Borg · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:48 am Post subject:

Is it conceivable that at a time when there was no matter or energy the only thing which existed was an omnipotent being (and gawd nose what it was made from) which was capable of creating the entire universe?

I don't buy it.

Whispy

Chardok · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:31 pm Post subject:

blueydedragon · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject:

Bovver boots wrote.

The problem with this explanation is it can be easily countered by pointing out that the biblical account also doesn't make any mention of God using an entirely different temporal frame of reference. Never mind that the entire Biblical account rests on there actually being a God in the first place (a God that can violate every known law of physics at that, which makes it even less credible to include in any scientific explanation).

Bluey wrote.

When God spoke to the caveman he looked all shiny like the Sun.
The caveman looked at God and was struck dumb.
God said " I come from another place and have made this world. I am your Lord God".
The caveman looked at God and said "you come from next valley?"
No said God I come from another dimension, a place beyond this Universe, where people do great things. The caveman scratched his head.
"I no understand. Do you hunt mammoth"?
God thought a bit . I should have given man greater intelligence instead of waiting for evolution. So God projected his thoughts to make the caveman realise where he came from. "Oh you come from shiny place inside volcano", said the caveman.
God gave up and said in a voice like thunder "just tell everyone that you
met me and I made everything.
You make Sun said the caveman. Yes said God.
You make Moon, stars, and night said caveman. Yes said God.
All animals plants and things? Yes said God.
You clever said caveman, I go and tell tribe and my wife Eve.
I shall call you Adam said God, and by the way tell your wife not to eat the apples, them are full up of a mind altering drug that takes some getting used to. Too late said Adam, me and my wife ate apple last night.
She now act funny, but we have great sex. Well I must leave now said God this is my day of rest. Tell everyone to obey me in future. Lots of prayers etc. Oh its great to be a super being, 2.4 billion earth years to rest for my day off.

Of course ït could have happened like that but if it had happened Chardoks way, it would go something like this.

Oh hello God, I hear you are a super being. Made all this did you. You know that we will want proof in the future don't you. Just wait untill I get it all down on my computer. Now how exactly did you make the big bang?
Oh and by the way, you should take much more care when creating apples, my wife ate one and actualy demanded sex. How did the sex go said God i need you to populate the earth. Oh we didn't have any said chardok, I had a bad back. By the way Lord, I wonder if you could make me a new pair of bovver boots? I think they would come in very handy to kick people with. That old crippled caveman round the corner would be a good one to start on. Now about my hair, why did you make it so thick, its very hard to shave in the morning..................

blueydedragon · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject:

Bluey I didn't say what you quoted me as saying - it was suesmum.

Meanwhile I don't "believe" in anything. The "big bang" is a theory and may or may not be anything to do with our origins. My personal theory is that we just don't know - humans haven't the capacity @ this point to know.

Spot

Bluey said.

Im sorry Spot, (backing away and touching his forelock), please don't
tell the hive queen. I have no wish to be assimilated.

Spot of Borg · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject:

No worries - Gramma is too busy ATM anyway (assimilating rellies I think)

Spot

Chardok · Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject:

blueydedragon · Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:52 am Post subject:

Chardok said.
When God spoke to the caveman he looked all shiny like the Sun.
The caveman looked at God and was struck dumb. *remaining long-winded crap snipped to save space*

[color=red]Bluey answered ,
My goodness Chardok how can a person be so pedantic.
The purpose of my story was to illustrate how stupid it was to expect a pehistoric man to question where God came from. The old testament is just a collection of stories handed down by word of mouth, and put to paper by someone in early history. It is really stupid to expect primitive man to had the intelligence to write down a factual account like a reporter from a newspaper. Of course you can pick holes in the old testament. However you can't prove it wrong, in the same way Christians can't prove it right. Its just a matter of opinion.[/color]

Whispy-of-Borg · Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:19 am Post subject:

Chardok · Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:42 am Post subject:

blueydedragon · Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:10 pm Post subject:

Whispy said.
Funny how many times the "apple" is talked about and yet nowhere in the bible does it say anything about apples!

Bluey said.
You are quite right wispy it was fruit from the tree of knowledge.
Apples have been shown in illustrations, because it was the most common fruit known in the middle ages.

Adam and eve were supposed to have had eternal life until they ate the fruit. Some people have suggested that the tree was not a really a tree
but somewhere where they could ask questions, like an Oracle. The forbidden knowledge they asked for apparently was about sex. They then lost their immortality with the rest of mankind. The reason was that once they started to reproduce, the population would have got out of control, if mankind had stayed immortal.
Now this is not my opinion, and I do not believe, or disbelieve this. Also
I cannot remember were I heard this. So please do not do a Chardok on me and demand proof.